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GRAND C4 TOURNAMENT

Postby Zugswang » 08 Dec 2007, 21:25

I just heard today about a giant tournament between all the connect four websites. They say it will be coming up in about 12 weeks. They will announce the date 8 weeks before hand. It will be 30 seconds per game, and it will be like the inetplay tournaments where they tell you what styles you have to use. The game will be Classic 7x6.

Registration is at http://connect-4.communityhost.de/ (the site is in german). Register at the site, then post on the Registration thread and say you want to be in the tourney. Also say which website you want to represent. I will be representing iPuissance4D :mrgreen: :twisted: 8)
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Re: GRAND C4 TOURNAMENT

Postby Zugswang » 14 Dec 2007, 16:27

here are the exact rules straight from one of the organizers.

Devilgirl wrote:
We are planning a Championship of Connect4 Teams, which will be hosted and organized at the inetplay.de – platform.
Unfortunately we were not able to persuade the owners of inetplay.de to arrange a separate platform for this championship only.

We would like to arrange the games with a 30 seconds time-limit (in order to prevent cheaters)
and we thought, that each internet-platform, where Connect4 is played may delegate a certain number of players (i.e. 5 players plus substitutes) and suggest some special opening-variants (with fixed positions of the first 5 upto 9 stones – exact number do be discussed) – all this opening-variants will be collected and listed.

During the Championship the [2nd player] can decide which of this listed opening variants the “opening-player” [(first player)] is forced to use.

This tournament should be something really special (due to conditions given) and surely the best platform-teams of the tournament will be awarded with [prizes] and certificates [color added].
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Re: GRAND C4 TOURNAMENT

Postby Angelface » 18 Dec 2007, 05:51

i signed myself up as Beroux team.
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Re: GRAND C4 TOURNAMENT

Postby Teachme2play » 18 Dec 2007, 19:24

Since it looks that so-called "Team Beroux" will squash any other platforms (FlyOrDie bitchz suck!).

Here are some mistakes made by our "opponents":

Cayc0:

1. D1 - E1
2. B1 - D2
3. D3 - D4
4. E2 - E3
5. E4 - A1
6. B2 - B3
7. B4?? - D5!! and black (or green) won.

1. D1 - E1
2. B1 - F1
3. A1 - C1
4. B2 - B3
5. D2 - C2
6. C3 - B4
7. C4 - B5
8. B6 - C5
9. D3? - D4! and black (green) reached draw.

1. D1 - F1
2. F2 - G1
3. F3 - F4
4. D2? - D3! (black have draw now)
5. D4 - D5
6. G2? - B1! (from this point black led the game to an easy win)

So we now know that cayc0 is weak even in perfect play, so he will be an easy target at random start.

Blitzin is good, however only in 7x6, and he's not playing anymore, so he may have trouble with the random start.

Christopher is to be feared, that is if he wishes to join kurnik.org. He's probably one of the best players on the globe (like Carlsberg :)).

I don't know certusgames, so goes with blip.

Hmmm, what's more?!
o_O_loil seems pretty good, since we had 12-12 draw.
kodotone, same old kodotone - who doesn't know him?
krunk - I remember him playing on FlyOrDie long ago. But he was breakable.
Nameless - best from Netherlands? But still not good enough to make Flyo win.

Too bad slowness doesn't play.

:arrow: And Zug, what about Shishapower?

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I've been on that site, but I can only look up the registration forum. Is registering crucial to seeing what's on other subforums?
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Re: GRAND C4 TOURNAMENT

Postby Teachme2play » 18 Dec 2007, 21:46

OK, I've joined as _shockwave_.
Hell, I saw the proposed positions. LOL!
People, who say they are hard will be no match for us.
I wonder what would they say about my last problem:
1. E1 - F1
2. B1 - B2

We will, we will rock them!

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Re: GRAND C4 TOURNAMENT

Postby Zugswang » 19 Dec 2007, 02:10

:joy: woohoo shocky i knew you'd come around :D

I've never heard of Cayc0 in my life, i think he's just some random person who overheard good players talking about the tourney lol.

I told christopher about the tourney, as well as sn0wblind and some others. Christopher and snow said they don't wanna play, why i don't know. Chris is indeed on my top 5 list in the world. Sn0w is just being silly, lol. Who is this Carlsberg person you speak of? The other ppl i asked did not reply. It's a shame, i'd like to have seen kurnik bring a good team. Last i checked they only have Cayc0 and sangfugl so far. Sangfugl will be tough to break, cayc0 probably not lol. And i don't know who Aamon is. Oh i just checked the list and christopher did join. *gulp* lol

Shishapower hasn't been online in a while. But with you joining we have a solid team. You, me, jer0me, jp91, and an old friend of mine Bounty Hunter (if he switches from Blip like i asked him to). Nameless might be switching to Beroux, jer0me is good friends with him and he has been begging him lol. Unfortunately they only allow 5 players per team, and angel was the last person i ran into to ask, so i told him he'd prolly hafta be a substitute, which kinda makes me feel like an ass lol. But in case he gets to play, I'll be training him, and you can too. He and thumper have been rapidly improving, and i think thumper will be joining also.

We will, we will rock them!

lol it might not be all the true all-stars in the tourney, but i can assure you it will be very very tough. Blip and inetplay are the teams to watch out for, they will be very strong. Everyone on inetplay's team is as good as loil, and unlike most other people, they are used to the 30 second clock. Blip players are so insanely fast they will have no problem adapting to the clock. Certusgames (which i suppose will try to recruit the spil.tv2 players), if they ever get anyone to join, will be unbelievably good, but it's unlikely they will find the old-timers like sutteLFC online. I told imab about the tourney, i'm guessing he would join blip but maybe certus. He's as good as they come, beware of him if he joins. Basically, don't take this tourney lightly, lol i'd say we are underdogs. And remember that those "easy" positions might be a lot more difficult in 30 second games. On the forum you have unlimited time. But it's true, many people are only used to certain styles. It seems all kurnik players play one way, and all spil.tv2 players play another, and so on. (except the great ones who can do any style they want). People who only play one way will probably run into trouble in this tourney, and that will work to our advantage.

I will be training intensely for it, lol. First i'll try to master solving strange positions and being able to play without using memory, then i'll practice getting faster. Then i'll try to play entire games in my head without even using a board, and if i'm able to do that, i'll know i'm ready lol.
Now that you're in it, start playing 7x6 again. If you listed your email in your profile or in the forum, i'll send you vianiato now, otherwise tell me your email. Studying in vianiato trains you much better than playing people, though i admit it can be tedious and boring like homework. You and i can practice together, and i'll also try to get the other members on here so they can practice with us and contribute to the problems.

If we practice, i say we can take 3rd place. But if certus gets a team, and if kurnik improves its team, then we would most likely take 5th lol. Flyordie, piece of cake :-P and i'm not sure who gametwist or ludoteka will bring but we'll probably beat them too. I told those sites about the tourney for the sake of making it as international an event as possible. So i think that would make 8 teams, and as far as i know there are no other popular 7x6 sites.

But back to homework now, after tomorrow i'll have lots and lots of time.
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Re: GRAND C4 TOURNAMENT

Postby Teachme2play » 19 Dec 2007, 09:23

I think you're a pesimist. We've got a strong team - You know many of the 'unusual' positions inside out. I get along them pretty good, too. Jerome & jp are grandmasters. Only angelface is a "?". But I hope he will play well, lets just say 'average'. And it will be enough if all of us play - not perfectly - but just above average, to be 2nd. Cause I fear those guys, who are used to 30 second games. That's quite an advantage. In other words, if we practice, why can't we be 2nd?

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How about practicing everyday on ipuissance? It would midday for you, since your evening means 2-3 a.m. for me. :)

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Re: GRAND C4 TOURNAMENT

Postby Zugswang » 19 Dec 2007, 18:42

Lol i'm pessismistic because i've played at the other sites and against most of the people in the tournament. Yes, jerome and jp are grandmasters, but so is just about everyone in the tourney. You underestimate what "above average" means in this tourney. Average is nearly perfect, so above average would be perfect or at least a little bit closer to perfect than the rest, so that's the level we'd have to play at. And if other teams are playing perfect also, then who knows how we'll do. (i wonder what they'll do for tie-breakers. I suggested a gradual increase of board size, followed by a change of variants). Right now I'm probably the slowest "grandmaster" of anyone (and in fact i'm slow in general, not just in connect four. When i take exams, i'm allowed twice as much time as everyone else, lol). You are just returning to 7x6 after a long break, you probably have some rust to shake off plus new styles to learn. Jp is good but i'm guessing probably not as good as the inet and blip players, he has a little catching up to do, as does Bounty. So far, Jerome is probably the readiest player of all of us, he's fast and does multiple styles. But he is rarely online so I don't know how much he will practice, and even he does need to practice for this tourney if he's not to be broken. Angel and thumper have a ton of work to do, but with vianiato it is entirely possible to become a grandmaster in 3 months or less. I normally teach people not to play by memory, but for this tourney memory might not be a bad thing since it's 30 second games and you basically have to know the move instantly, and it's usually almost impossible to think that fast without the help of memory.

But you are right, we have a chance to take 2nd or even 1st, because there isn't much difference between one team of grandmasters and another. I will be ready, and i have faith you and Bounty will too. The other two i'll have to try to get in touch with more often, and Angel and Thumper can be as ready as anyone if they put enough work into it.

I don't know if i can get on midday, i might be working the next 3 weeks and it would depend on my work shifts. Whenever i'm free during the day, i'll look for you online though. Jerome and jp are only 1 hour behind you, so maybe they can get on when you do.
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Re: GRAND C4 TOURNAMENT

Postby Teachme2play » 19 Dec 2007, 20:40

You keep on forgetting, or you don't talk about it on purpose. Look! Those people may be perfect, when they have perfect play, like most of openings shown on their forum (even if some of them look a little "exotic" to me). But show them one of our openings, that doesn't have the D1 move in it! Of course, there are some of them that are used on c4 platforms. Example:
a noob starts with B1, so you answer with C1 (the only winning move) and the rest is easy. But should those inet & blip "grandmasters" encounter a position with only 1-2 moves being done properly, and 5-8 mistakes I doubt they would choose the correct column(s). Remember, that each team is allowed to develop it's own positions, so if we make lot of them, we will have greater chance to trick them.

I talked to o_O_loil today, and he was bragging about devilgirl winning 30/30 games, playing with white, with positions with white beginning with D1. Big deal. A week of training with mustrum, and I also would know ALL the openings. And I believe my skills would enable me to win those games after a successful opening.

But I agree with you - we need a lot of training.

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I've just played a guest from inetplay - zweifinger/zidane on ipuissance. He was pretty good, but breakable.
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Re: GRAND C4 TOURNAMENT

Postby Angelface » 19 Dec 2007, 22:47

yea we kinda need a schedule or something thats like... every night at a certain EPT time. so i know when i can train some more....
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